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A Strange Habit of Women in the Middle Ages...

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In this documentary video, we explore a striking practice employed by women in the Middle Ages.

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Get my book: www.amazon.com/Why-Does-Heathen-Rage-Crusades/dp/152395762X
EMS 76
EMS 76 Vor 26 Tage
Dude, I seriously appreciate your videos. As an academic (art historian, but not a medieval specialist), I have to praise your clarity, your storytelling, your animation of of "distant" history for a general audience, your demonstration of dedication to historical precision and accuracy and your willingness to share your knowledge in this format. As a college instructor, I sometimes provide students supplemental material beyond readings for historical context or for students who are curious about a topic beyond the scope of my course and I already see a place for some of your videos in my "101" course which covers medieval art, architecture and material culture. I will certainly be having a look at your book. (Gosh, should I be doing youtube videos to promote my book? Hmmm.) But ... and forgive the flattery ... but you also seem like the kind of guy I'd love to sit down and have a beer with. Totally sympatico. (As much as one can tell over the ether of the internet.) How 'bout I buy you a drink sometime and talk about my favorite crusade (the 4th) or my favorite medieval century (the 14th!) ;) (I doubt you'd take up such an offer from a random academic on youtube, but hey I'll put it out there anyways.)
Cat H
Cat H Vor 28 Tage
@The Godless Is your avatar supposed to be reminiscent of a swastika, but you knew you couldn't get away with the genuine article?
The Godless
The Godless Vor 4 Monate
Europe was destroyed by judaism and its sects….f*ck religions.
jacqueline schael
So the women lived most of their lives with scarred cheeks?
Real Crusades History
In most cases, I don't think the "scratches" were deep enough to scar.
maigeezy
maigeezy Vor 14 Tage
Women in some places in the Middle East will slap their own faces violently at the funeral of a loved one, especially if it’s their child.
Rick Robitaille
Rick Robitaille Vor 19 Tage
Medieval woman on modern women, They did what?
Joshua
Joshua Vor 23 Tage
Why is it so strange. I've did the same thing. I've scratched my face; punched a wall until my knuckles bled; and just went days with out food or sleep. Maybe it's because people from the Southern USA are more emotional than other Americans and Europeans.
Bekind Befree
Bekind Befree Vor 19 Tage
I've done the same many times. I'm from the south too. Don't know that that has anything to do with it. I have borderline personality disorder due to childhood neglect and abuse. I scratch my face when I get very upset and have trouble relaying my feelings to someone in a healthy manner.
Iahel Cathartes Aura
I thank my God above that we do not do this anymore. Wow!
Sorel Yanlie
Sorel Yanlie Vor 24 Tage
The concept of this being part of a woman grieving a violation of her body actually makes a lot of sense to me. As someone who suffers from PTSD as the result of rape, I can say that, while i didn't necessarily "scratch" my face, the psychological trauma led me to often attempt to slap or punch my own face hard enough to leave marks. Both as a form of self-punishment for "allowing the abuse to happen" and also I think partly in hope that it would lead people around me to realize something was wrong, since I was too afraid of being judged or considered guilty to actually verbalize what happened. For anyone out there dealing with this sort of compulsory self-harm. You are not alone, and also, hurting yourself is NOT going to make you feel better or heal your heart. I know it is hard, but PLEASE find someone to confide in. I did not begin to find healing until I told my now- husband what had happened to me, and even then it took me a long time to also get help from a therapist or tell anyone else. It is f***ing difficult, and I'm not saying it'll make the offense just disappear, but you are worthy of the effort it takes to heal. God sees your pain, he knows who/what caused it, and he will bring them to justice. The truth will set you free.
Cat H
Cat H Vor 28 Tage
So much beautiful art - most of it seems to be 19th century portrayals of medieval scenes. Which ones are from earlier periods, can you tell us more about it?
auburn024 1
auburn024 1 Vor Monat
I bet it has been going on since the day before we evolved probably instinctive.
Baccatube79
Baccatube79 Vor Monat
I think I remember women scratching their cheeks in grief or mourning are a topos in Homer and antique tragedy... it is, thus a very ancient tradition.
Kathryn Carter
Kathryn Carter Vor Monat
Well, there sure wasn't any Zoloft.
GG Girl
GG Girl Vor Monat
I wonder if when women were ordered by the King to stop clawing their faces, is when they started using blush?
alizaize
alizaize Vor Monat
Thanks for the video. Jews had their own mourning rituals thousands of years before the Crusades to include ripping of their clothing and covering mirrors.
Kit Cat
Kit Cat Vor 23 Tage
I thought clothes ripping was repentance of sins?
Christina Douglas
This practice probably goes way back farther than you think. The bible says Leviticus 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD. Leviticus 21:5 They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their flesh.
Ava Brida
Ava Brida Vor Monat
And how many of those women died of a skin infection because of this strange practice? There were no antibiotics then.
Real Crusades History
I've never seen a single documented case of women dying from this, although we can't be certain. Certainly this practice wasn't associated with early death in the minds of contemporaries. This was practiced for thousands of years in many cultures. I think we can assume that it didn't result in widespread death. A couple of things to think about. We have no idea what "cheek scratching" actually entailed. Were these really deep wounds, or were these just little faint scratches? Many sources seem to imply that blood was drawn in some way, but even this is rather vague. Are the sources exaggerated? How much blood was actually drawn? Some of the artwork I've seen depicting this (such as the art I use in the video) makes the scratches look very faint. We also know from medical texts that ointments existed which were used to help heal these scratches. And finally, I think we have to remember as well that people in the ancient and medieval world were naturally selected in ways that we are not. One wonders if these people didn't have immune systems that were generally hardier than our own. Antibiotics are great, but even today they can be overused, and can result in complications. Despite the lack of modern medications, the population of western Europe exploded over the course of the Middle Ages. Communities were growing enormously, cities expanding, trade flourishing.
ADE 1960 ehrg
ADE 1960 ehrg Vor Monat
I thought this is the middle ages?... it isn't the begaining, it is'nt the end. Soooo...
Galelyn Mcelroy
Galelyn Mcelroy Vor Monat
One of our many ancient periods!
Smileyrie James
Smileyrie James Vor Monat
Giving emotional pain a physical expression that others can also see, tends to validate it in a way. One of the worst things about severe pain is that no one else can see it so they don’t understand what you’re going through. Talking, writing, drawing, dancing etc are much healthier ways of getting it out & processing it though, so the sorrow or painful thoughts don’t just do endless laps in your head.
Anne Mehlfeld
Anne Mehlfeld Vor Monat
Catlyn Stark claws her face in A Song of Ice and Fire when she sees her son Rob die. G. R.R. Martin must have known about this custom.
samantha stevens
samantha stevens Vor 12 Tage
@juneplum fruifruit lol!! Demonoc ritual... you're christian right? You do realize that members of the early church were encouraged to beat and whip their own bodies as a form of penance?... Creator bless... you and keep you from you ingnorance... lol
Cat H
Cat H Vor 28 Tage
As they should of course. In this way at least, I think medieval society was more civilized than later centuries.
Cat H
Cat H Vor 28 Tage
I can understand Tiffany's feelings on this, lots of people came late to the books and series, we read when we can and when we feel like it. Spoken as one who has also seen the entire series and read all the books. A little spoiler alert might have been a good idea. I do remember the face-clawing scene but that seemed more spontaneous for obvious reasons. I think GRR Martin's world was only partly medieval, some of it came from later centuries (he isn't consistent in portraying the middle ages). All the rape in it was not consistent with medieval laws and approach to rape, which was definitely considered a crime, and many men paid for it heavily.
juneplum fruifruit
Martin more than knew about it, more than likely practice it. Demonic ritual. THE CREATOR BLESS
einfach nö
einfach nö Vor Monat
@Anne Mehlfeld some people are just weird🤷🏼‍♀️
Ariane Gravenor
Ariane Gravenor Vor Monat
How interesting. I drew blood from scratching my face when I felt great distress and frustration in my marriage.
Cancionero - Spanish Rhymes - Kinderlieder
So sorry to hear:( hope you are happier now x
Lisa Johnson
Lisa Johnson Vor Monat
The old Greek also mourned the death by scratching their cheeks
Amy Carmichael
Amy Carmichael Vor Monat
So strange
Margaret, Theophilus
Professional mourners during the time of Jesus. Like when he raised the little girl to life.
Sean McGuire
Sean McGuire Vor Monat
I also recently discovered robert de Beaumont is my 33 ggf. Along with 10s of thousands of others. But I just found a missing link in my tree by was of col david hall on my mom's maternal side. Hes the 1st gov of Delaware. I've always loved history n this just made me appreciate it more.
Sean McGuire
Sean McGuire Vor Monat
So glad I found this channel.
RodanX21
RodanX21 Vor Monat
He he...these latins are quite the dramatics..
Bloody Marine
Bloody Marine Vor Monat
The first time I've heard about professional mourners was in the history of Ancient Rome
Jessica Thompson
It was a way of making emotional pain physical. You can treat physical pain.... It showed the emotional pain in a physical way. Similar in the way that people cry when their loved ones die or how black is worn to funerals.... There are many practices around the world. Some that may seem quite strange to some people and others not so much. (Perhaps it's in how you are raised) Nonetheless they are personal and individual ways. We all grieve in our own ways and our own time.
LizMcNamara47
LizMcNamara47 Vor Monat
I saw Iraqi women scratch their cheeks when their relative died in 1983-4 while nursing there.
Carolyn Miller
Carolyn Miller Vor Monat
I don't know the relation but when I was a teenager I used to try to dig my fingernails into my face when I was mad, (thank God I was a nailbiter, because I would have severely scared my face) I had a traumatic childhood that took years of psychiatric therapy to over come, so I'm better now, but seems like their most be some sort of disorder or something...I know other females thry the years that self harmed once or twice but not long term...its just odd, but there has to be something more to it...and not just acting crazy.
Anita McGuire
Anita McGuire Vor 27 Tage
I've struck a similar practice where people pull out their own hair in distress.
Alexandra Hempsall
@Smileyrie James bless you for your comment, if I saw one more demonic possession comment I was gona lose my mind on someone.
Smileyrie James
Smileyrie James Vor Monat
Carolyn Miller It’s definitely not acting crazy. Giving emotional pain a physical expression that others can also see, tends to validate it in a way. One of the worst things about severe pain is that no one else can see it so they don’t understand what you’re going through. Talking, writing, drawing, dancing etc are much healthier ways of getting it out & processing it though, so the sorrow or painful thoughts don’t just do endless laps in your head.
Maria Nunes
Maria Nunes Vor Monat
Castela wasn't the now Spain: was one of the kingdoms on the Iberian Peninsula. Portugal already existed by this time, but not Spain.
Jennifer S
Jennifer S Vor Monat
Castilla, yes. Before it teamed up with León.
Dave Johnson
Dave Johnson Vor Monat
Death is actually pretty important still. Just saying?
Truth Reigns Forever
You got a really cool niche on the tube. Everyone is doing just about every other wacky thing to good stuff. But I never seen any channel likened as yours. It really stands out and is shocking in a good way. 🙂
Cocó Aedo
Cocó Aedo Vor 2 Monate
A good traditional Spanish funeral used to have both face scratching and hired women crying and mourning in name of the family and town. If you couldn’t attend the funeral, you could send a “llorona” to represent you and your family as well 😭
Deus Vult
Deus Vult Vor Monat
Professional keeners ( caoin) from the Gaelic to cry were hired by Irish bereaved relatives to cry at the wake of loved ones for centuries. This practice lasted until the first decades of the 20 century. Its interesting to note that the Gaelic Nation traced their origins to Iberia. This view was confirmed by the advent of DNA.
Michele P
Michele P Vor 2 Monate
I can believe it's Not as bad as it sounds as no women in her right mind would disfigure her face when there were husbands to be sought and love affairs to be led no matter who died.Maybe a few old ladies went a bit crazy doing it to show how traditional they were as elders but really, the young maidens with sweet-hearts i doubt it.I bet they only rubbed and it was still considered correct form.
Real Crusades History
I agree. I don't think they were brutally disfiguring themselves. I think they were scratching themselves a little and in most cases it was probably very superficial.
Michael Towler
Michael Towler Vor 2 Monate
And that sort of thing still goes on today with People showboating with excessive performances at Funerals especially if there is a crowd.
Robyn Conway
Robyn Conway Vor Monat
Michael Towler Grief and bereavement are personal painful emotional spiritual physical natural body experiences. For some it boarders on psychotic behaviour and people who grieve deeply need to be cared for and protected from harm not misjudged and shunned. Everyone grieves differently. If you feel uncomfortable then respectfully don't watch a person grieving and don't judge them. They are saying goodbye for eternity to a loved one. Your comment is in poor taste.
Aunt Cynthia
Aunt Cynthia Vor 2 Monate
Glad I didn’t live back then but understand why they thought it showed their pain
Alice Willoughby
Alice Willoughby Vor 2 Monate
2:19 - Ouch! Also, why am I somehow reminded of the modern - though unhealthy - practice of self-cutting as a relief from unhappiness?
Jane Carroll
Jane Carroll Vor 22 Tage
Joshua Sometimes you want the outside to feel the pain of the inside.
Joshua
Joshua Vor 23 Tage
Make the body a bloody mess just like the soul, heart, and mind.
Deathcoldan
Deathcoldan Vor 24 Tage
@Julie McMellon They weren't "damaged goods" but virginity was important specially on women due to the monogamous ritual and breeding of offspring. It was really important to secure that your children we're actually yours and the most certain way was to ensure that you were the only person your espose was having sex with. Also,because of this most people wanted to be married with a virgin partner. Those that weren't could still get married but that depended If the other person accepted it. Also it can't be married with white clothes
juneplum fruifruit
Demonic ritual
Julie McMellon
Julie McMellon Vor Monat
Hmm! I really do think it's a trend as I do not recall any form of this abuse during the 1960s & before. Also, these women had had their virginity taken away & therefore were 'damaged goods'. They wouldn't have had much chance of marriage.
Cath Robilliard
Cath Robilliard Vor 2 Monate
This practice also occurred in Mesopotamia and Ethiopia. I wonder if, in the absence of funereal clothes, it was an outward sign that the woman was not ready to be affiliated in marriage. Even in Victorian days a woman wore black for a year, then moved onto grey, as a visual aid to suitors that she was vulnerable and it was bad form for any suitor to approach her with matrimony in mind.
Mann's Best Friend
Mann's Best Friend Vor 2 Monate
These people grieved someone they didn't know and probably never saw
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