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A Strange Habit of Women in the Middle Ages...

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Real Crusades History
Real Crusades History Vor 11 Monate
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Julia Dicks Vor 5 Monate
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E M S
E M S Vor 8 Monate
Dude, I seriously appreciate your videos. As an academic (art historian, but not a medieval specialist), I have to praise your clarity, your storytelling, your animation of of "distant" history for a general audience, your demonstration of dedication to historical precision and accuracy and your willingness to share your knowledge in this format. As a college instructor, I sometimes provide students supplemental material beyond readings for historical context or for students who are curious about a topic beyond the scope of my course and I already see a place for some of your videos in my "101" course which covers medieval art, architecture and material culture. I will certainly be having a look at your book. (Gosh, should I be doing youtube videos to promote my book? Hmmm.) But ... and forgive the flattery ... but you also seem like the kind of guy I'd love to sit down and have a beer with. Totally sympatico. (As much as one can tell over the ether of the internet.) How 'bout I buy you a drink sometime and talk about my favorite crusade (the 4th) or my favorite medieval century (the 14th!) ;) (I doubt you'd take up such an offer from a random academic on youtube, but hey I'll put it out there anyways.)
Cat H
Cat H Vor 8 Monate
@The Godless Is your avatar supposed to be reminiscent of a swastika, but you knew you couldn't get away with the genuine article?
The Godless
The Godless Vor 11 Monate
Europe was destroyed by judaism and its sects….f*ck religions.
William L.
William L. Vor 8 Tage
I thought you were going to talk about widow briquettes
Randall Ridnour
Randall Ridnour Vor 13 Tage
Having learned something crutial here, it put what people in some neolithic cultures do at funerals. Beating heads with stones, pulling out hair, pulling out one years beard growth on tye anniversary of fathers death. These displays put into perscetive what we see inplaces such as north Korea when a leader dies, excessive displays of crying and grief over the loss. However, the west loves to downplay the sicerity of suched displays as just expedient self preservation, under the rule of despotic leaders. Not sure though....
Mwalimu Wade
Mwalimu Wade Vor 25 Tage
This only applies to people in Medieval Europe not Africa
Helen Trope
Helen Trope Vor 25 Tage
They could have given themselves sepsis in an age before antibiotics
David Skillicorn
David Skillicorn Vor 26 Tage
And some Amazonian cultures it’s not uncommon for the women to cut the fingers off in the morning
Bron Azlin
Bron Azlin Vor 27 Tage
Fabulous content!!!!!!!
rascalferret
rascalferret Vor Monat
SOMETIMES IT'S N...SUDDEN caps lock is a blowmind… forget it.
Jacob Hall
Jacob Hall Vor Monat
When my grandmother (who was born in 1937) was growing up in rural West Virginia, it was very common for women to faint at funerals. They would let out a scream and then fall over in the floor. I assume it was the sight of the dead body, or maybe overwhelmed by sorrow, or maybe both. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
Nihil Istic
Nihil Istic Vor 6 Monate
Is there a better crusades history channel or source anywhere today?
Nomo
Nomo Vor 6 Monate
I can relate...we are so restrained in our true feelings of grief and the pain within. I had to walk in the rain far away to keen what I was feeling within so I would not be sedated or chided for my pain. I scratched my arms without realizing.
Isabel Sousa
Isabel Sousa Vor 6 Monate
scratching one's face is normal in a person with greatest anguish , this isn't just cultural . Exactly as turning your hair white in less than 24 hours after death of a beloved child. The difference is not cultural . It is being emotional or not .
Terri Thomas
Terri Thomas Vor 7 Monate
Interesting. Self harm because of emotional anguish? Sounds familiar.
jacqueline schael
jacqueline schael Vor 7 Monate
So the women lived most of their lives with scarred cheeks?
Real Crusades History
In most cases, I don't think the "scratches" were deep enough to scar.
maigeezy
maigeezy Vor 7 Monate
Women in some places in the Middle East will slap their own faces violently at the funeral of a loved one, especially if it’s their child.
Rick Robitaille
Rick Robitaille Vor 7 Monate
Medieval woman on modern women, They did what?
Joshua
Joshua Vor 7 Monate
Why is it so strange. I've did the same thing. I've scratched my face; punched a wall until my knuckles bled; and just went days with out food or sleep. Maybe it's because people from the Southern USA are more emotional than other Americans and Europeans.
Bekind Befree
Bekind Befree Vor 7 Monate
I've done the same many times. I'm from the south too. Don't know that that has anything to do with it. I have borderline personality disorder due to childhood neglect and abuse. I scratch my face when I get very upset and have trouble relaying my feelings to someone in a healthy manner.
Iahel Cathartes Aura
I thank my God above that we do not do this anymore. Wow!
JZ's Best Friend
JZ's Best Friend Vor 5 Monate
Your god made them do that?
Sorel Yanlie
Sorel Yanlie Vor 7 Monate
The concept of this being part of a woman grieving a violation of her body actually makes a lot of sense to me. As someone who suffers from PTSD as the result of rape, I can say that, while i didn't necessarily "scratch" my face, the psychological trauma led me to often attempt to slap or punch my own face hard enough to leave marks. Both as a form of self-punishment for "allowing the abuse to happen" and also I think partly in hope that it would lead people around me to realize something was wrong, since I was too afraid of being judged or considered guilty to actually verbalize what happened. For anyone out there dealing with this sort of compulsory self-harm. You are not alone, and also, hurting yourself is NOT going to make you feel better or heal your heart. I know it is hard, but PLEASE find someone to confide in. I did not begin to find healing until I told my now- husband what had happened to me, and even then it took me a long time to also get help from a therapist or tell anyone else. It is f***ing difficult, and I'm not saying it'll make the offense just disappear, but you are worthy of the effort it takes to heal. God sees your pain, he knows who/what caused it, and he will bring them to justice. The truth will set you free.
Cat H
Cat H Vor 8 Monate
So much beautiful art - most of it seems to be 19th century portrayals of medieval scenes. Which ones are from earlier periods, can you tell us more about it?
auburn024 1
auburn024 1 Vor 8 Monate
I bet it has been going on since the day before we evolved probably instinctive.
Baccatube79
Baccatube79 Vor 8 Monate
I think I remember women scratching their cheeks in grief or mourning are a topos in Homer and antique tragedy... it is, thus a very ancient tradition.
Kathryn Carter
Kathryn Carter Vor 8 Monate
Well, there sure wasn't any Zoloft.
GG Girl
GG Girl Vor 8 Monate
I wonder if when women were ordered by the King to stop clawing their faces, is when they started using blush?
alizaize
alizaize Vor 8 Monate
Thanks for the video. Jews had their own mourning rituals thousands of years before the Crusades to include ripping of their clothing and covering mirrors.
Kit Cat
Kit Cat Vor 7 Monate
I thought clothes ripping was repentance of sins?
Christina Douglas
Christina Douglas Vor 8 Monate
This practice probably goes way back farther than you think. The bible says Leviticus 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD. Leviticus 21:5 They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their flesh.
Ava Brida
Ava Brida Vor 8 Monate
And how many of those women died of a skin infection because of this strange practice? There were no antibiotics then.
Real Crusades History
I've never seen a single documented case of women dying from this, although we can't be certain. Certainly this practice wasn't associated with early death in the minds of contemporaries. This was practiced for thousands of years in many cultures. I think we can assume that it didn't result in widespread death. A couple of things to think about. We have no idea what "cheek scratching" actually entailed. Were these really deep wounds, or were these just little faint scratches? Many sources seem to imply that blood was drawn in some way, but even this is rather vague. Are the sources exaggerated? How much blood was actually drawn? Some of the artwork I've seen depicting this (such as the art I use in the video) makes the scratches look very faint. We also know from medical texts that ointments existed which were used to help heal these scratches. And finally, I think we have to remember as well that people in the ancient and medieval world were naturally selected in ways that we are not. One wonders if these people didn't have immune systems that were generally hardier than our own. Antibiotics are great, but even today they can be overused, and can result in complications. Despite the lack of modern medications, the population of western Europe exploded over the course of the Middle Ages. Communities were growing enormously, cities expanding, trade flourishing.
ADE 1960 ehrh
ADE 1960 ehrh Vor 8 Monate
I thought this is the middle ages?... it isn't the begaining, it is'nt the end. Soooo...
Galelyn Mcelroy
Galelyn Mcelroy Vor 8 Monate
One of our many ancient periods!
Smileyrie James
Smileyrie James Vor 8 Monate
Giving emotional pain a physical expression that others can also see, tends to validate it in a way. One of the worst things about severe pain is that no one else can see it so they don’t understand what you’re going through. Talking, writing, drawing, dancing etc are much healthier ways of getting it out & processing it though, so the sorrow or painful thoughts don’t just do endless laps in your head.
Anne Mehlfeld
Anne Mehlfeld Vor 8 Monate
Catlyn Stark claws her face in A Song of Ice and Fire when she sees her son Rob die. G. R.R. Martin must have known about this custom.
samantha stevens
samantha stevens Vor 7 Monate
@juneplum fruifruit lol!! Demonoc ritual... you're christian right? You do realize that members of the early church were encouraged to beat and whip their own bodies as a form of penance?... Creator bless... you and keep you from you ingnorance... lol
Cat H
Cat H Vor 8 Monate
As they should of course. In this way at least, I think medieval society was more civilized than later centuries.
Cat H
Cat H Vor 8 Monate
I can understand Tiffany's feelings on this, lots of people came late to the books and series, we read when we can and when we feel like it. Spoken as one who has also seen the entire series and read all the books. A little spoiler alert might have been a good idea. I do remember the face-clawing scene but that seemed more spontaneous for obvious reasons. I think GRR Martin's world was only partly medieval, some of it came from later centuries (he isn't consistent in portraying the middle ages). All the rape in it was not consistent with medieval laws and approach to rape, which was definitely considered a crime, and many men paid for it heavily.
juneplum fruifruit
juneplum fruifruit Vor 8 Monate
Martin more than knew about it, more than likely practice it. Demonic ritual. THE CREATOR BLESS
einfach nö
einfach nö Vor 8 Monate
@Anne Mehlfeld some people are just weird🤷🏼‍♀️
Ariane Gravenor
Ariane Gravenor Vor 8 Monate
How interesting. I drew blood from scratching my face when I felt great distress and frustration in my marriage.
Cancionero - Spanish Rhymes - Kinderlieder
So sorry to hear:( hope you are happier now x
Lisa Johnson
Lisa Johnson Vor 8 Monate
The old Greek also mourned the death by scratching their cheeks
Amy Carmichael
Amy Carmichael Vor 8 Monate
So strange
Margaret
Margaret Vor 8 Monate
Professional mourners during the time of Jesus. Like when he raised the little girl to life.
Sean McGuire
Sean McGuire Vor 8 Monate
I also recently discovered robert de Beaumont is my 33 ggf. Along with 10s of thousands of others. But I just found a missing link in my tree by was of col david hall on my mom's maternal side. Hes the 1st gov of Delaware. I've always loved history n this just made me appreciate it more.
Sean McGuire
Sean McGuire Vor 8 Monate
So glad I found this channel.
RodanX21
RodanX21 Vor 8 Monate
He he...these latins are quite the dramatics..
Bloody Marine
Bloody Marine Vor 8 Monate
The first time I've heard about professional mourners was in the history of Ancient Rome
Jessica Thompson
Jessica Thompson Vor 9 Monate
It was a way of making emotional pain physical. You can treat physical pain.... It showed the emotional pain in a physical way. Similar in the way that people cry when their loved ones die or how black is worn to funerals.... There are many practices around the world. Some that may seem quite strange to some people and others not so much. (Perhaps it's in how you are raised) Nonetheless they are personal and individual ways. We all grieve in our own ways and our own time.
LizMcNamara47
LizMcNamara47 Vor 9 Monate
I saw Iraqi women scratch their cheeks when their relative died in 1983-4 while nursing there.
Carolyn Miller
Carolyn Miller Vor 9 Monate
I don't know the relation but when I was a teenager I used to try to dig my fingernails into my face when I was mad, (thank God I was a nailbiter, because I would have severely scared my face) I had a traumatic childhood that took years of psychiatric therapy to over come, so I'm better now, but seems like their most be some sort of disorder or something...I know other females thry the years that self harmed once or twice but not long term...its just odd, but there has to be something more to it...and not just acting crazy.
Anita McGuire
Anita McGuire Vor 8 Monate
I've struck a similar practice where people pull out their own hair in distress.
Alexandra Hempsall
Alexandra Hempsall Vor 8 Monate
@Smileyrie James bless you for your comment, if I saw one more demonic possession comment I was gona lose my mind on someone.
Smileyrie James
Smileyrie James Vor 8 Monate
Carolyn Miller It’s definitely not acting crazy. Giving emotional pain a physical expression that others can also see, tends to validate it in a way. One of the worst things about severe pain is that no one else can see it so they don’t understand what you’re going through. Talking, writing, drawing, dancing etc are much healthier ways of getting it out & processing it though, so the sorrow or painful thoughts don’t just do endless laps in your head.
Maria Nunes
Maria Nunes Vor 9 Monate
Castela wasn't the now Spain: was one of the kingdoms on the Iberian Peninsula. Portugal already existed by this time, but not Spain.
Jennifer S
Jennifer S Vor 8 Monate
Castilla, yes. Before it teamed up with León.
Dave Johnson
Dave Johnson Vor 9 Monate
Death is actually pretty important still. Just saying?
Mr. Bigglesworth
@Chlorox Bleach death is just as common, as it's still going strong at 100 percent.
Chlorox Bleach
Chlorox Bleach Vor 2 Monate
But not as common, with modern medicine and all. And also. We have modern media that shows us death. Death is more tougher when you witness it in person.
Truth Reigns Forever
You got a really cool niche on the tube. Everyone is doing just about every other wacky thing to good stuff. But I never seen any channel likened as yours. It really stands out and is shocking in a good way. 🙂
Nana Aedo
Nana Aedo Vor 9 Monate
A good traditional Spanish funeral used to have both face scratching and hired women crying and mourning in name of the family and town. If you couldn’t attend the funeral, you could send a “llorona” to represent you and your family as well 😭
Deus Vult
Deus Vult Vor 8 Monate
Professional keeners ( caoin) from the Gaelic to cry were hired by Irish bereaved relatives to cry at the wake of loved ones for centuries. This practice lasted until the first decades of the 20 century. Its interesting to note that the Gaelic Nation traced their origins to Iberia. This view was confirmed by the advent of DNA.
Michele P
Michele P Vor 9 Monate
I can believe it's Not as bad as it sounds as no women in her right mind would disfigure her face when there were husbands to be sought and love affairs to be led no matter who died.Maybe a few old ladies went a bit crazy doing it to show how traditional they were as elders but really, the young maidens with sweet-hearts i doubt it.I bet they only rubbed and it was still considered correct form.
Real Crusades History
I agree. I don't think they were brutally disfiguring themselves. I think they were scratching themselves a little and in most cases it was probably very superficial.
Michael Towler
Michael Towler Vor 9 Monate
And that sort of thing still goes on today with People showboating with excessive performances at Funerals especially if there is a crowd.
Robyn Conway
Robyn Conway Vor 9 Monate
Michael Towler Grief and bereavement are personal painful emotional spiritual physical natural body experiences. For some it boarders on psychotic behaviour and people who grieve deeply need to be cared for and protected from harm not misjudged and shunned. Everyone grieves differently. If you feel uncomfortable then respectfully don't watch a person grieving and don't judge them. They are saying goodbye for eternity to a loved one. Your comment is in poor taste.
Aunt Cynthia
Aunt Cynthia Vor 9 Monate
Glad I didn’t live back then but understand why they thought it showed their pain
Alice Willoughby
Alice Willoughby Vor 9 Monate
2:19 - Ouch! Also, why am I somehow reminded of the modern - though unhealthy - practice of self-cutting as a relief from unhappiness?
Mama Marianovits
Mama Marianovits Vor 5 Monate
@Tom Evans May I know, is this opinion or fact that you share.? Please, I am not being facetious at all. I know it can be difficult to discern such within written communications, but I assure you, I am in no way mocking yoiu or asking in jest.. I truly wish to know as it would seem entirely plausible, with my own understanding and in my own opinion. Thank you.😊
Tom Evans
Tom Evans Vor 6 Monate
Alice Willoughby "why am I somehow reminded of the modern - though unhealthy - practice of self-cutting as a relief from unhappiness?" Because people have the same brains now as then. And so when the stress from an emotional condition exceeds that created by an actual injury, then a physical injury can actually reduce the stress by focusing the body's resources on it, as with minor shock: as long as the overall pain is less.
loa Loa
loa Loa Vor 6 Monate
That’s first thing I thought of too !
Jane Carroll
Jane Carroll Vor 7 Monate
Joshua Sometimes you want the outside to feel the pain of the inside.
Joshua
Joshua Vor 7 Monate
Make the body a bloody mess just like the soul, heart, and mind.
Cath Robilliard
Cath Robilliard Vor 9 Monate
This practice also occurred in Mesopotamia and Ethiopia. I wonder if, in the absence of funereal clothes, it was an outward sign that the woman was not ready to be affiliated in marriage. Even in Victorian days a woman wore black for a year, then moved onto grey, as a visual aid to suitors that she was vulnerable and it was bad form for any suitor to approach her with matrimony in mind.
Timothy's dog
Timothy's dog Vor 9 Monate
These people grieved someone they didn't know and probably never saw
paganblood
paganblood Vor 9 Monate
What's the exact song played in this video through out?
paganblood
paganblood Vor 8 Monate
@Bob Rickert Yeah i looked it up but it's not the same song lol
Bob Rickert
Bob Rickert Vor 8 Monate
Actually it's She moved through the Fair . my bad
paganblood
paganblood Vor 8 Monate
@Bob Rickert its not ..
Bob Rickert
Bob Rickert Vor 8 Monate
Old Irish tune"She came through the Fair"
Kathleen Fleming
Kathleen Fleming Vor 9 Monate
I am a new subscriber to your channel. Thank you for creating this channel- that I might be educated about other cultures during medieval times.
Steve Amato
Steve Amato Vor 9 Monate
People in the South have hired professional mourners before. The cheek thing is a bit much.
Will Be
Will Be Vor 7 Monate
Yes, same here in the Philippines, Filipino Chinese families would hire professional mourners to cry during a dead family member's funeral.
Kimberly Lewis
Kimberly Lewis Vor 7 Monate
Yes...
Marissa Bones
Marissa Bones Vor 9 Monate
Thanks for the video I really enjoyed it 🙃
Maria B.
Maria B. Vor 9 Monate
Thank you, "Real Crusades History", for posting this video. I found it very interesting, especially because some of my Spanish ancestors were from the historic capital of Castile. God bless you, always.🙏✝️🙏
Yuliya Blokhina
Yuliya Blokhina Vor 9 Monate
My question is, since hygiene was poor and antibiotics nonexistent, why intentionally risk infection & death?
Real Crusades History
Hygiene was not poor. In fact, people were very conscious of hygiene in the Middle Ages.
Robin Fa
Robin Fa Vor 9 Monate
I think the Gokturks did something similar to this.
Vegtam
Vegtam Vor 9 Monate
Atleast in medievial times the justice system demanded evidence before lynching an accused man.
S. Ali
S. Ali Vor 9 Monate
@Vegtam Oh yes because the common victims in medieval times where obviously the men and rape BARELY happened.
Vegtam
Vegtam Vor 9 Monate
@J Andrews That is islamic law halfwit.
J Andrews
J Andrews Vor 9 Monate
Vegtam or on the other hand, she didn’t fight hard enough
Stanley J. Bennet
Stanley J. Bennet Vor 9 Monate
I love your everything about your videos... the way you tell the story, the images, background music, your voice and of course the subject matter. Thanks
Mary Christ
Mary Christ Vor 10 Monate
Very interesting here I am looking for something else and I end up here how ironic that you would put a Christian song at the end of this.
Jessica Moores
Jessica Moores Vor 10 Monate
You are Great! I’ve never heard of cheek scratching to show emotional pain. So crazy! I do like how you keep repeating that this was a different time and people thought with a wholly different mind set. I really enjoy your videos. Thank You for taking your time to enlighten us💓👍👏🇺🇸
Amy's watching the stars
Fabulous content, I'll be back for more - new sub here !!!! Thank you from Montreal.
StMichaelsArmy
StMichaelsArmy Vor 10 Monate
Honestly I red some of these statements and I'm so glad I didn't live then, seems like women had zero respect as human beings like if someone else didn't hurt them and scare them they were suppose to do it to themselves, which I think is sick. Even as fat as religion goes, we are temples of the Holy Spirit, if I wouldn't damage a church why would I do that to myself?
J Andrews
J Andrews Vor 9 Monate
StMichaelsArmy and the difference now is so great?
StMichaelsArmy
StMichaelsArmy Vor 10 Monate
yeah I can't hurt myself, don't know why, I've tried but i think I'm too squeamish. I faint when I see blood.
Michelle Howard
Michelle Howard Vor 10 Monate
Everyone should mourn in their own way
Abrahem Samander
Abrahem Samander Vor 10 Monate
This was so cool. Reading the comments apparently many cultures do this, it has to be a unique human instinct. I wonder if there’s a group of people who still do it, or a movement to bring it back.
Abrahem Samander
Abrahem Samander Vor 10 Monate
I don’t want to bring it back, I just now there are some “roots revival” groups that try practicing the old ways, not that I hold it against them necessarily. And yes, men and women should both do it, in fact some cultures had the men exclusively do it. I hope that clears up confusion.
brasschick42
brasschick42 Vor 10 Monate
Abrahem Samander Why would you want to bring it back? If so all people should do that- not just women. We have moved on.
Anita Richmond
Anita Richmond Vor 10 Monate
I was aware of face scratching at a funeral and I can see how such overwhelming grief can move one to do such a thing. It's the visual manifestation of pain, hints lost cuts deep
Arber Avdija
Arber Avdija Vor 10 Monate
The ritual of sorrow with scraching their cheeks untill bleeding is also very prevelant in Albanian history, male and female used to do this for public display of mourning. How interesting that others did so aswell!
Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith Vor 9 Monate
SOME white folk like to think they are special, but we all are human
Chara Choppel
Chara Choppel Vor 11 Monate
similar practices told of in the Bible and not only women
黑龍 - Hắc Long
黑龍 - Hắc Long Vor 11 Monate
04:45 It's still normal in places like Hong Kong and North Korea.
H Sp
H Sp Vor 11 Monate
In Africa, cheek scratching is still used at coming of age rites till this day.
ITZRedbandYT
ITZRedbandYT Vor 18 Tage
DJSbros Don’t act smart. You sound dumb. This is barely heard of in Africa.
ButtahscotchKisses
ButtahscotchKisses Vor 8 Monate
My three year old niece scratches on hey face when she gets upset. It's so bizarre.
Kathryn Carter
Kathryn Carter Vor 8 Monate
Yes, even burning to make life long scars.
Myriam Guns
Myriam Guns Vor 9 Monate
lola sobande Exactly. From what I've seen scarification of the cheeks used to be a rite of passage into adulthood for boys. I seem to remember it was a custom with the Igbo tribal group (but could be mistaken). That was in the early 1980's, but already the practice was dying out at the time..
Vera R.
Vera R. Vor 9 Monate
lola sobande He , my husband, told me so...🤷‍♀️
A Lolita
A Lolita Vor 11 Monate
There is a scene with this featured in Tess of the D'urbervilles with gemma arterton
forestsoceansmusic
forestsoceansmusic Vor 11 Monate
Excellent, well-presented. I don't know about cheek-scratching, but wearing sackcloth and dowsing one's head with ashes goes back to at least 1,000 BC (as documented in the old Hebrew records). I read somewhere else, that showy demonstrations of grief actually help reduce grieving time, and healing from grief.
Carmelo Pappalardo
Carmelo Pappalardo Vor 11 Monate
I have heard about this before. My family is Sicilian man heard about rituals like this.
Esther Peterson
Esther Peterson Vor 11 Monate
That's crazy
Jael S
Jael S Vor 11 Monate
I would probably have limited myself to crying and ashes, seeing as my primary value back then would have been my beauty.
Xenaisthebusiness
Xenaisthebusiness Vor 11 Monate
Get you a girl that will claw her face.
Heisrisin TroviLLion07
Now that's a whole lotta drama.
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